What are you most excited about doing at the Harry Potter park?
|Eating the food||
|Riding the Hogwarts Journey ride||
|Riding the Dueling Dragons||
|33415 votes in total|
Ooh, HP discussion! Regarding the book 1-7, 2-6, & 3-5 connections, I actually thought they had been firmly established as fact. Maybe I’ve just read/heard so much about it that I just assumed. I haven’t heard them discussed so much as foreshadowing or plot clues but rather as parallels and connections, with GoF being the hinge book, the turning point of a sort of bell curve. I thought Jo had also talked about this at one point, but I could be wrong. I know that she did at least talk about one – knowing that she wanted Hagrid to be the one to carry Harry out of the forest in DH because he’d been the one to carry him to the Dursleys in PS/SS. She has also talked about CoS/HBP being connected because there were scenes in HBP that she originally had in CoS.
I’m sure I won’t begin to scratch the surface, but off the top of my (as well as I can do in the midst of work), here are some of the points I’ve heard mentioned:
1 & 7 – There’s the Hagrid thing I just mentioned; Harry catching the snitch in his mouth/using that to open it; the deluminator, used in 1 then given to Ron in 7; going into Gringotts – there was mention of a possible dragon in 1 & we see it in 7;
2 & 6 – I think the main one is the whole Tom Riddle backstory – in 2 we learn that Tom is Voldemort, and in 6 we see more of how that came to be, plus the Horcrux connection…and I like *Deanie*’s slug connection too! ;) Ooh, and just as I was about to submit, I thought of another one – Aragog, introduced in 2 and died in 6.
3 & 5 – The Maurauders backstory is one – in 3 we get the first bit of it, and we see it fleshed out in Snape’s Worst Memory; 3 is when Sirius enters Harry’s life and 5 is when he exits, so to speak;
Hmm…I’m going to have to keep thinking about this throughout the day; I’m sure when I’m not trying to think of others, they’ll keep popping into my mind. There’re probably threads in the Lounge about it, and maybe even a Scribbulus essay. Like I said, I don’t know for sure that it’s been “proven” (or even could be), but as a point of literary analysis, it has definitely been extensively discussed, and I think there have been some pretty strong arguments made for it. I’d love to keep talking about it; it’s a great way to sort of revisit the books, and I have MISSED our HP discussions! :D
And now for the non-HP stuff:
I haven’t seen a doctor about the allergies so far. This is the first year I’ve had them this bad. My sisters and one of my friends have them bad every year and I never understood what they were complaining about because mine have been so mild. I know they all take either Claritin or Zyrtec every day, so I didn’t think anything of starting it myself. (I went with Claritin because it specified non-drowsy while the Zyrtec didn’t.) I suppose I could check in with Health Services once school starts up if the allergies haven’t gone away, but for right now, it would be too expensive to go to a doctor around here. With school insurance I’m only fully covered at the on-campus clinic, and with their reduced summer hours and the hour drive to get there, it would be too much of a hassle. I’ll definitely make an appointment if I start having any problems though. Thanks!
Mistic, I really hope we’ll be able to get together. My only issue is that I won’t have a car…is there reliable public transportation that could get me from D.C. to your area (that preferably isn’t too pricey)? One evening this week, I’m going to start plotting out my schedule. I know of a couple of events that I’m signed up for because they required an advance ticket, and then there are several others that I’ve seen mentioned and thought I’d like to go to, but I haven’t actually matched up all times. Once I’ve done that, we’ll definitely have to chat! All of your suggestions sound great; it’ll be hard to choose! :)
The deluminator was also used in 5, so that’s not conclusive.
There is a real dragon in 1, 4 and 7. Plus mantion of a possible one in 1.
Of course in hindsight we can see certain connections, but I was mostly going on the speculative discussions from before the final books were published. In their proper timeframe, the discussions were totally speculative about Ron being a sacrefice so Harry could prevail, both in the chess game in 1 and somehow related to that in 7.
A lot of it was very far-fetched.
The potion challenge got a lot of speculation, too. But we only encounter poisons in the potion challenge in book 1 and Ron’s ingestion in book 6. But Snape mentions them in 5 and possibly during the very first lesson in 1. The only poison I remember from 7 is Nagini’s venom and the old basilisk venom, from 2, in the teeth that Ron & Hermione bring out of the Chamber in 7.
Of course 7 had to pretty much revisit elements from all the previous books in order to tie up the loose ends, all the way back to Snape and Lily at 11. ;)
At the time of the original speculations, I thought it was pure rubbish in how closely people expected the same elements to reappear in the “mirrored” books. I always considered that Jo had more imagination and creativity than that. I think was right.
The books are really one long story, so some things are consistant and keep reappearing, slightly altered. Most of the alterations seem to be of perspective. Harry at 17 would not see things the same way Harry at 11 or 13 did. Since we follow Harry, mostly, our perspective changes as he matures. ;)
Oop! gotta run for now. ;)
In terms of using the connections to predict what was going to happen in DH, I agree with you, a lot of it was reaching. Most of the discussions I know of were after the fact, analyzing parallels, and not attempting to say that the books were exact matches or duplicates of each other, but rather that when examining the series as a whole, 1/7, 2/6, & 3/5 had the most elements in common with each other. It’s not 100% perfect, and yes, a lot of the points mentioned do show up in other books as well, but using the dragon example, it was specifically the Gringotts dragon, not dragons in general that was mentioned.
I’ll have to see if I can find any of the discussions from people more eloquent than I am…or better yet, if I can find any of the comments from Jo about whether the book parallels were purposely done. It’ll be a fun little research project to help me pass the time during my quieter moments at work. ;) All of it is just opinion, but I do think it’s really interesting.
Good Morning Everybody!!!! A Happy Wednesday to ALL!!!
Bookworm Jen, You do know that I work in Washington DC, I work in the Washington Navy Yard, right off of the 11th street Bridge!!! You must let me know where you will be staying, and don’t forget the Metro’s and If I knew where to go, I could pick you up myself. Phillips Seafood Restaurant is right down on M Street right beside the Navy Yard, they have an AWESOME buffett. If the things you are scheduled to do are in Washington DC, or are you saying that they are things that you will be doing down where I live?? When you have made your schedule up and know where you will be and when, we will have a better idea how to work everything in. lol
I AM WISHING EVERYBODY TO HAVE A SPECTACULAR DAY!!!!
I chipped the bonding on a front tooth this morning. So I had to find a dentist and get an appointment to get it attended to. I will be at the dentists office at 5:00 pm today. ;)
My former dentist is a good 35 to 40 miles from home on the north side of Atlanta. I grew tired of driving home numb and sleepy during rush hour, since I usually go to the dentist in the afternoon. So I haven’t been in at least 3 years. (I know, naughty!)
So now I am going to try the dentist that my DS has used a couple of times. Please cross your fingers that it is not too horrid. ;)
I just finised luch, so I had better try to get something done since I will be leaving early today. Not much early, about 45 minutes. ;)
Deanie, you have my sympathies, and a similar story for you…… I had my 6 month dental check yesterday, and I needed a filling. (I was very brave, lol!) Today. I LOST a filling, so I’ll be going back for an urgent appointment asap. Life is not fair! The only things that scares me more than the dentist are spiders.
I hope all goes smoothly for your appointment!
The verdict is crowns for both upper front teeth. The bonding is failing on both of them, one just gave way first. I go in for the first part on Tuesday afternoon. ;)
I wish I could just wave a wand and have them fixed like Hermione in GoF. ;)
I really don’t mind the procedure so much, but I hate having to use my sick leave for it. And the expense. Even with dental insurance and a secondary, my out of pocket expense will be pretty hefty.
Dental insurance has not changed in at least 20 years. Most of them have a maximum benefit of $1,000 to $1,200, but the cost of each procedure has more than doubled. And the prmiums have gone up. ;)
Off to check in elsewhere. ;)
I was off yesterday, so I didn’t get online much. Now I’m back at work, but it’s actually looking like it’s going to be a somewhat busy day. I’m kind of happy – it’s been a while since I’ve had a hectic day here, so I’m glad it means today should go by quickly.
I’ll pop in if I need a break later though! :)
Good Morning Everybody!!!! A Happy Thursday to ALL!!! Today is going to be a nice day here weatherwise, 83 degrees, and the Sun is shinning brightly!!! lol Bookworm Jen are you saying that you will be staying in Washington DC?? I know that they have buses that go down my way, and If I knew where you were staying, I could probably pick you up myself. I am glad that this is Thursday, and I would be even Happier if it was Friday!!! lol
I AM WISHING EVERYBODY TO HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY!!!
Hi Mistic! Sorry – when I posted this morning, I hadn’t yet read the posts from yesterday. Yes, I am staying in D.C.; I’m going to send you an owl right now to give you more detail. :)
Deanie and Asti, sorry to hear about your dental dilemmas!
I agree that there should be an “All of the Above” option! I can’t choooose! :D So very excited!
Hometime in 30. ;)
I need to move some money from checking to savings. It looks like we will pick p my new car on Saturday and i will need the down payment then. ;)
Off to try to get organized. ;)
Another day. ;)
I can’t find my car title, so I will have to go get a copy today. ;)
This is not a fun car buying experience. I suppose it is because I do not have new car fever. This is a practical decision, not one of the heart. My current car is seven years old and has over 113,000 miles on it. It is beginning to cost a lot more to maintain and it is losing trade-in value, it has to go. ;)
I also cannot find my reminder card for my dental appointment on Tuesday and I have not yet turned in a leave request for it. I had better get on the phone and find out. ;)
Another busy day here, but I’ll try to pop in whenever I need a short break. :)
Good luck with the car buying, Deanie! I could really use a new one, but I’m hoping mine will hang on until I finish school. I’d hate to have to start dealing with a car payment now.
After almost six weeks solid of chilly, dreary weather over here, I am beginning to wonder when the wizards will shoo the dementors away. I should not have to consider turning on the heat this close to the solstice.
Deanie, what type of vehicle are you looking for? Do you intend to buy new or used? Good luck at the dentist.
Jen to further the parallel book discussion, Harry’s first time traveling into someone else’s memory was in book 2. Then using the Pensive was a major plot element in the sixth book.
Another detail I noticed was the accuracy of Trelawny’s predictions. In HBP, she is reading the tarrot cards as Harry is on his way to visit Dumbledore for the first “lesson.” The cards she draws mean “conflict,” “an ill omen,” and “a dark young man, possibly troubled, one who dislikes the questioner.” It makes no sense to Trelawny, but that is exactly what you seen when Ogden visits the Gaunts in the Pensieve.
Asti, can you tell me why England, Wales, and Scottland each has their own national soccer team? In the Olympics and any other international competition I know of, they all play under the UK flag. Why is soccer different?
I am happy the US tied Slovenia and rather unhappy at all of the yellow-carding that happened in the Germany-Serbia match. I do believe the result would have been different if Germany wasn’t short-handed by half-fime. Grrr.
And here’s hoping that Algeria will trounce England in another 10 minutes (sorry, Asti).
Hermine, We are buying a new Dodge grand Caravan Hero. This will be my third Caravan. The first two were Sport models, but they don’t make that any more. The Hero has almost all the same amenities of my Sport and a few it didn’t have.
We need the cargo room for greyhounds. The DS has a little bitty Kia, so any trips with the houd has to be accomplished in my vehicle.
With my bad knees (better than before the operations, but still not 100%), getting into and especially out of his little car is painful at best, excruciating at worst. And sometimes almost impossible.
We are getting it in Titanium Gray. That’s the dark gray with light gray interior. We will go get it tomorrow afternoon. So I have to spend this evening making sure all of the little storage spaces are empty. And puting all the headrests on all four rear seats. I take them off so they don’t block my view. ;)
The loan hs been approved and next week I will be able to get the title to them. I could not get it today because the DS in co-owner and it requires his signature. Also because, even though it was paid off in June of 2008, the lender never told the government that the lein had been satisfied. ;)
Off to sort out a minor problem that hit my desk today. ;)
Deanie I figured you needed a “dog mobile.” Be glad that you already know what you are getting and don’t have to search for an acceptable vehicle. Happy vehicle collection.
England and Algeria drew, so my head is spinning trying to figure out who has to win (instead of draw) in order for the US to advance to the second round. It will all be decided next Wednesday.
On the local front, Ghana will probably beat Australia, and then Germany must win against Ghana in order to advance. So the Germans will be in limbo until next Wednesday, too.
Hermine, I agree with you about the accuracy of Trelawney’s predictions – I’ve always thought there tend to be a lot of elements of truth to what she “sees”. I think she tends to just interpret them incorrectly because she doesn’t understand them, and she also tries to make them sound more “exciting” by embellishing them. :)
I’ve just finished up some work I had to do and now I’m going to be heading over to my sister’s to babysit. It’s supposed to be one of our hottest days so far, so I’m trying to find something to do that would hopefully be near water where it’s cooler.
Talk to you later! :)
I’ve had a very busy day at work. Saturdays are hard.
Hermine, wasn’t it awful! England were fortunate to get a draw. I believe if the US and England both win their games on Wednesday, both will go through safely. That’s a BIG “if” as far as England are concerned, after last night. My DS said a lot of very very rude words! And to (try) and answer your question about separate teams/UK team, I’m afraid I don’t really know. They play as individual countries in rugby too, but I can’t think of any other sport. I think it’s separate for the Commonweath Games (athletics,) but most sports seem to be under the UK flag and name. You’ve made me curious, When I find out, I’ll let you know!
Waving Hi!! to everyone! It’s nice to see a bit more activity here! xx
I was able to attend the park on a “soft” opening day on June 14. Everything was up and running so I think I got a good feel for the place. Absolutely incredible for the Potter fan!!!!! 5 stars for everything. I have only one concern. The park is going to be way too small for the hordes of fans attending. For instance, the Owl Post office can only fit about 20 adults in it.
But the authenticitly is out of this world!!! You won’t believe the castle!!! Frankly, the best part of the Forbidden ride is the winding your way through the castle and viewing all the rooms and scenes from the movie. Very authentic. The moving pictures are great.
As for the ride itself. Great! Super graphics! I wouldn’t call it terrifying at all. But if you have a tendancy to get car sick, watch out. Lots and lots of movement.
The other two roller coasters are the same as had been at the park before. Great rides though.
Hogsmeade is incredible. The stores are super with great stuff.
Food is typical theme park food. Nothing really Harry Potter related except for the butter beer. Frankly, all the butter beer is our usual creme soda with a special butter flavored “head” added to the cup. I didn’t get to try pumpkin juice.
Filch’s Emporium is the best store there (located at the exit of the Forbidden Journey ride). It has stuff that is not available anywhere else.
Again, when you go, be prepared to be EXTREMELY crowded. The park desparately needs to be enlarged.
Thanks for the report, shire123!
I don’t think we have any fathers posting here anymore, but just in case – Happy Father’s Day! And to anyone else celebrating with their dads, hope you have a great day!
Asti, I know you have an equivalent for Mother’s Day in the UK…do you have one for Father’s Day as well?
I’m going to go over to my grandparents’ house later this afternoon. My dad is working, but I’ll probably go by there in the evening to bring him supper. Talk to you all later!
shire123, thankyou for posting about it. I’m not very good with rides and rollercoasters, but I’d love to wander around the shops and the castle.
Jen, yes, today is Father’s Day. I was less than impressed that my husband and son had a golf competition today! But I had a good chat with my Daddy earlier. Have fun with yours!