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What are you most excited about doing at the Harry Potter park?

Posted by Melissa
May 21, 2010, 10:04 PM
Eating the food
2168 (6%)
Riding the Hogwarts Journey ride
11637 (34%)
Riding the Dueling Dragons
1764 (5%)
6197 (18%)
Drinking butterbeer
11649 (34%)
  33415 votes in total


85 Points

Lurking- I have been very busy at work. We have been working unpaid overtime which is being offered with the pro
Use of being allowed to come in later in summer months. Sigh! I hate budgets crunches.
Gas has reached $5 fir premium here in IL and regular unleaded is $4.69. Why aren’t people complaining?!

I have no desire to see Osama’s dead body. I believe he is dead and that’s good enough for me.

I can’t wait for the end of school. We have graduation on June 13 and 14. It will be hectic till then.

The principal keeps meeting with the Union. Administrators and the senior clerk. The wheels are turning slowly especially since she has been working really hard. I am glad and happy that she is finally working but mad and angry that it took a dismissal action to get her a@$ in gear. She is unbelievably good now. This woman I can work with. I sit there waiting for “Sybil” to show up. I am not sure if she will get transferred either. She has made sure I have no negative comments to make. The bad things is that I don’t. =( I have to tell them that she is doing her job.

Posted by Madame Minerva on May 06, 2011, 12:00 AM report to moderator
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Good evening, everyone! I’m just catching up quick on my way to bed, I’m exhausted!

Jen that is odd that Liana didn’t mention being on staff! I wonder if she’s worried about being inundated with questions and requests if she lets it out widely, but then again, it’s posted right on the website with her pic and everything. It would be too bad if she helped do so much work for the con and then couldn’t even go. I hope she does, she was such a kick. I wonder about the other two as well, I lost touch with them completely. Michelle and… ooh, I forgot her name, the one that followed us to Salem.

Thanks for the support, Asti! I hope you’re right. I had my Olympia chapter meeting tonight and I always come away from meetings feeling revved up and ready to write pages and pages, but then I got home and still had to ride the bike and do the treadmill, which I just now finished, LOL. Well, tomorrow is another day! Except… the DS is going to be home tomorrow, which means I’ll be lucky to just get the workouts in, never mind writing. I get so much less done when he’s home and I hate having people watch me exercise. It’s not pretty! But I am very much looking forward to extra time here, especially in the run up to the final movie and everything. There’s no one I would rather spend these final movie months with than our Leaky peeps!

LH that’s too bad about the Birkenstocks, I hope you’re able to get them at the store. I know you were looking forward to them coming in in time to break them in before the trip. I’m glad you got your photos all straightened around for the conference, too. I really do hope Jen is right about a yearbook, I think that is a fantastic idea and would be a terrific keepsake as well. I showed LP the photo I uploaded for her this evening and as expected, she was not thrilled. However, when we went through the other photos we have loaded in the computer, we could not agree on any others. She really likes one she took in the MacPhoto deal, but I thought she was making a very strange face in it. All the others we have of her that are good pics are group shots. I told her if she really hated it we could just take another one but she wasn’t in the mood so she gave in for now. I suspect we’ll be having a photo shoot again soon, however. I don’t have high hopes for it doing much good, though, she hates almost all her photos and the only ones she likes, I never think are good. I don’t know what that says.

MM I don’t know why people aren’t screaming bloody murder over the gas prices, either. When they first went over $3 a gallon, everyone went ballistic. Now it’s $5 and nary a peep to be heard. I can’t figure it out, except that I think a lot of people are just so beaten down now that they feel hopeless about it and like nothing would change even if they spoke up. We have enough in reserves to solve this problem for a good long time, time enough to get other alternatives up and running before we ran out. I suspect it is politically motivated to hold onto them now when this has the power to re-tank our barely recovering economy. If they do release the reserves, I suspect it will be much closer to election time. It makes me pretty angry, especially when it is costing me $60 to fill up a tank that used to cost about $27 and I can’t afford to go get a hybrid or something.

As for your clerk, it does seem she truly had the fear of God put into her, but who knows how many times she’s danced this dance in the past? She could have been on the brink of termination a billion times and always gotten her act together just long enough to remove the possibility. It seems the best to hope for now is that they will at least still transfer her, and I would think she’d want that in any case. She has to know that the first sign of a clip up in your office will land her right back in hot water and I doubt she can keep this act up until she retires. Getting into a new office comes with a built in honeymoon phase which could last her a long time before people got peeved enough to take it to this current level again. She might ride all the way to her retirement that way, especially if she got into an office that just puts up with her. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that whatever happens with her, they get her out of your hair.

Well, I am off to bed before I get up and start the routines all over again. Have a good night, everyone!


Posted by Headmistress LemonFaerie on May 06, 2011, 04:35 AM report to moderator
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I’m not sure where to go today, the new poll or this one.

I need to do some house cleaning today. My DS has a presentation dinner at his school tonight so won’t be home for dinner and won’t be home until 9:30 or so.

The Greek Festival is today and tomorrow so after I pick my daughter up from school I think we will head to the Greek Festival and hear some music, see some dancing, and find some food.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 10:14 AM report to moderator
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What I don’t understand is the price of a barrel of oil was $114 last Friday… It has fallen over the week to $96 today… That is approximately a 15% drop… Why have gas prices gone UP instead of down this last week? What is terribly wrong with this picture?

Posted by Won_Two on May 06, 2011, 11:15 AM report to moderator
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I have found a website that I think is useful although I do have some reservations about its use.

It is a website that gives parents some incite into what is in books and movies. The thing I don’t like is that it makes an analysis and tells you how old your child should be to read a book or watch a movie.

The thing I do like it that it gives an analysis in categories of how much violence, sex, consumerism, drugs and alcohol and positive role models and messages are in the movie and then it gives an explanation with specific references to why each category was rated as it was.

I like this instead of going blindly into a movie. My DS was planning on taking our daughter to see Hanna and it turns out it is full of graphic murders and the main character is a little girl who is a professional assasin with no intention of fighting her basic nature of having a talent for murder. I think he thought it was a sort of Hunger Games.

I don’t like that they tell you how old your child should be. I think you can figure that out for yourself, based on their categories and explanations.

WON, I actually paid less for gas last week than the week before and more this week again. It makes no sense, especially with barrel prices having dropped. I did hear that we should expect lower prices by the first of June.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 12:19 PM report to moderator
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I have a small brag on my daughter but I’m a mommy so I suppose I’m entitled. There is a study website schools use to help the children to study for the various state standardized tests. The tests are broken down into very specific integral skills that are subparts to language, reading, and math learning and retention.

During all this intensive studying for the standardized tests my daughter has made the top score of any child in the state on three online quizes, one each in language, reading, and math. Now, there are many, many, many other little quizes that she has not placed first in the entire state or even in the top scorers in her school. But I can’t help being pleased she has tested first in three subtests. I know the one she did on the computer at home involved sequencing of events in reading. I would imagine the great majority of the students have never placed first in even one test, much less three.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 01:26 PM report to moderator
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By the way, our Harry Potter books and movies received raging support from that website.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 01:27 PM report to moderator
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Morning all!

I received the email with my final exam this morning and it’s much more work than I’d been anticipating. We have to answer eight out of the ten listed questions, and each one has to be at minimum a whole single-spaced page…so, it’s essentially writing a full paper. Ugh. Definitely would have been better to have it last week before I’d started to slip into full-on relaxed vacation mode!

Asti, I definitely want to read as much as possible this summer. I’ll have to pick up extra hours at work too, but I think I’m going to try to keep it to four days. Somehow having that third day off always feels like such a break.

LH, your name badge sounds like a good way to do it. I kept mine as “Bookworm Jen” – I figure I have myself covered with that, LOL. ;)

MM, good luck with the hectic end-of-the-school-year craziness. Will your shortened summer schedule begin right after graduation? And does everyone in your office work through the summer (including your problem clerk) or is it just you?

Lemon, it’s funny, I was just thinking of those two women the other day, and it was Michelle whose name I couldn’t remember! The one we ran into in Salem was Jo…that one stuck in my memory! ;)

LH, how did your husband’s exam go?

Won, I have no idea if this is accurate, but I picture it working the way it does at my bakery with stuff like wheat and flour. When we buy it, we make very large purchases that are stored in huge silos on our grounds. Our pricing is based on the price we paid for that material. Often, wheat and flour prices will drop and our customers are demanding to know why our own prices haven’t dropped but it’s because we’re still using that stored flour which was purchased at the higher price. It may take several weeks for us to use the rest of that up and make a new purchase at the lower cost and to be able to transfer that savings to our customers. So, our price reductions pretty much never come immediately after a reduction in the wheat and flour markets. Like I said, I have no idea if the gas situation is comparable, but that’s how I’ve been imagining it – that although the oil prices have dropped, the gas prices are based on oil purchased at the higher rates and that it will take some time for us to see the reduction. Feel free to correct me if I’m way off base though!

LH, I would advise using Common Sense Media with caution. I know I’ve gone on and on before with my feelings about labeling, so I won’t go into it again, but I will say I’m fairly leery about CSM. There had been a huge outcry in the publishing and librarianship world when Barnes & Noble began including CSM ratings on their site. I don’t believe they do it anymore, and maybe CSM has changed their rating system since then, but at the time, the ratings I was seeing were, in my opinion, quite ridiculous. Based on what you’ve mentioned about them giving an explanation, it sounds like maybe they’ve adjusted things. But as an example, one of the YA books I’d checked (I don’t remember which one, sorry; it was probably about a year or more ago) was determined to be sexually explicit because it contained THREE kisses! No sex scenes, no references to sex, but three kisses. The review determined that those kisses were likely to lead to sex (even though this was no way stated or implied in the actual book). In another case, the narrator/main character referred to one of the groups at her high school as the “stoners”…the main and secondary characters never used drugs, there was no description of the “stoners” actually using drugs; they were simply named when describing the different cliques in the school (and was one the narrator had no interest in belonging to). But, it was rated high in “drug use” because saying that there was a stoner group in the high school would bring drug use to an impressionable teen readers’ attention. Obviously these are extreme examples – which is probably why they were being called out in the blogs I was reading – and I’d imagine not all reviews are as extreme as this, but like I said it put a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to CSM. I suppose it’s like everything else; you have to take it with a grain of salt and use your own judgement. I actually find regular customer reviews on sites like Amazon (or B&N and Borders) to be the most helpful, especially if you read the comments posted in reply to a review – you can often see a real dialogue of differing opinions, so you can get a more well-rounded, rather than one-sided, picture of what the book contains and how different people might interpret it. Sorry, I’ll get off my soapbox now. I know you already said you have reservations about the site’s use, so this whole little lecture was probably completely unneccesary. Sorry! I tend to get carried away with this stuff!

I am off to have lunch and then to finish my book so I can concentrate on getting this exam done. I know if I don’t finish the book, the pull to return to it will be too strong and I won’t be able to focus. So, better to let myself finish and to know that I’m not allowed to start another one until the exam is complete! :D

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 06, 2011, 01:44 PM report to moderator
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LH, that is so AWESOME! Congratulations to both you (for putting up with all the homework headaches and face-melting to help her get such incredible scores) and to your daughter for her hard work. I really cannot wait to meet her; she is a very impressive child! :D

Ah, and apparently I do need to re-visit the Common Sense Media website and reacquant myself with it because it has clearly changed since I was last there. HP were naturally some of the books I had checked previously and they had contained those same old warning about the use of witchcraft and magic, as well as other little details like warnings about Hagrid’s alcohol consumption, drug use (Polyjuice Potion and Felix Felicis), and of course the lovely sexual content for the various relationships (Ron & Lavendar’s in particular). (Harry was determined to be a poor role model because he constantly breaks the rules, which I’ve heard discussed before, and I suppose depending on how you look at it, could be considered true, but I obviously had issues with it.) Overall, the books were not reviewed favorably.

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 06, 2011, 01:53 PM report to moderator
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JEN, I was pleased to see the site because I had no idea of what HANNA was about except my impression of the trailer. It is not for sale as a DVD on Amazon since it is in the movie houses. So, I went looking for something to give me some idea what it was about.

CSM rated The Hunger Games for 12 years olds. Of course, my daughter has read it at 11 and you thought she was probably too young. So, with the explanations as well as a scale of one to five for each category I really felt they did not need to do the age rating. They had given you enough to go on from their explanations of why they chose each 1 to 5 rating. There is enough there for you to decide yourself. It actually let The Hunger Games off the hook completely on sexuality, didn’t even mention the undercurrent of sexual tension between Katniss, Peeta, and Gale.

I noticed they indicated for the movie Something Borrowed that opens today that you could hear someone having sex but didn’t see anything and that you see a couple making out and then see them later with naked shoulders and the sheet pulled up. It described specific use of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, lying, cheating, etc. So, you have the necessary information to decide for yourself if it is okay with you or not. I was considering this movie for us tonight but I will probably see it alone first and if I really like it I might take her back or wait for the DVD. I’ll have to decide whether I find it offensive for her.

They also list “talking points” provided in the movies and books as a way to introduce discussions about things of concern to you.

For example, although they rated the sexuality of HPDH, part 1 as a 2 out of 5 for sex, they explained that Harry zipped Ginny’s dress with her back turned toward him and she kissed him. It noted that Hermione and Ron hug and the obscurred almost naked torso “locket” kiss between Harry and Hermione’s smoke counterparts. So, if you read the explanation you can tell if you are offended by the content or not. It gave HPDH a 12 year old rating.

So, I think it is useful if you use your head and decide for yourself. From the trailers for HANNA I had already decided it did not look like something suitable for my daughter but I just found this morning my DS was intending to take her. So, I decided I needed to find out exactly was it was about and it sounds graphically violent, judging from the specific examples they gave, and I know my daughter would not like that. She does not like to see people’s throats cut right in front of her.

I know you have issues with censorship,as do I. I think these movies have every right to exist and I will probably go see Something Borrowed and Water For Elephants by myself but because of a lot of individual items listed in the review in all the categories I will not take my daughter with me. If I had not found that review I would have probably taken her with me tonight and then I would have been sorry.

Parents really do need some means of knowing what the content of books and movies is without commentary so they can make their own decisions. Otherwise you would walk into movies blind. We can’t possibly read and see every movie and book before our child has access to them.

Since my daughter is reading on such a high level her skills are putting her in the path of books that were never intended for an 11 year old child. So, I need a means of screening “adult” books for their suitability.

There are R rated movies I will let my daughter watch but I need to know ahead of time whether I’m willing to deal with it and talk with her about it at her age.

I don’t want anyone else to decided for me. I just want the information so I can decide for myself before I walk into a movie theater with her and one or both of us wish we weren’t there. The other movie I was considering for her tonight was Water For Elephants. I was okay with most of what I read, knowing she has seen similar or worse sexuality in other movies but the one thing the review on CSM told me that stopped me from taking her was that it said there was cruelty to animals. I absolutely know my daughter cannot watch a movie in which there is going to be animal cruelty. She would be beside herself with anxiety. So, reading the review saved me from taking my daughter into a movie which would have sent her out in tears.

Well, that was a ramble… Until I was faced with realizing there is all sorts of adult media out there that may not be acceptable for a child and that I had to be the one to make the call I would never thought about controlling the intake of movies beyond the fact that R rated movies were for adults and PG-13 movies were for older teenagers. Now, I have a child who is functioning on some levels as an adult and some levels as a child and I have to decide if what she is exposed to works for her. Some PG-13 and R movies I know she is ready for and others she is not. She can read and understand anything. She can probably see and understand anything and we talk about it in graphic detail when she does but I know the things that upset her and that she does not enjoy. So, there is no point in putting her through it if I have a means to screen those things for her. She doesn’t like to see bloody “chop your head off, squirting blood our of arteries” violence or anyone being cruel to animals. I’m getting more and more liberal about sexual stuff and drug and alcohol stuff because we talk about it and she knows about it. Most parents know what their child can handle and what they can’t.

My DS tends to take her to movies that frighten her because he tends to take her to “boy” movies he thinks he can drag her to with him and she normally comes home absolutely shell shocked. I knew HANNA was going to be in that category and I had to be able to show my DS that he did not want to take her to see it.

My DS feels pretty good about his exam. It was essay but he felt he gave good answers and spoke to the professor who actually showed up for the exam who indicated the exam was more of a formality to see if they had participated and that he and his partner in his group “had nothing to worry about”.

Tonight the dinner is to honor the graduating class for this year and to introduce the cohort leads of the next graduating class of which my DS is one.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 03:19 PM report to moderator
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CSM has HPSS, the book, rated as Five Stars out of Five for “Is it any good?”

For “Good Stuff” it is 3 out of 5 for Positive Values (explanation given), 4 out of 5 for Positive Messages (explanation given), and 4 out of 5 for Positive Role Models (explanation given)

For “What to Watch Out For” it is:

3 out of 5 for Violence (explains in detail various points including peril mostly from fantasy creatures which they name, one death, NH Nick demonstrating how he is nearly headless, flashback to Harry’s parent’s murder),
0 for sex
0 for language,
1 for Consumerism (because BB Every Flavour Beans and Chocolate Frogs are real products that you may actually purchase in retrospect to the movie having been made),
1 out of 5 for drugs and alcohol (because Hagrid gets drunk).

It rated it for 8 year olds. I really wish they would rate an age. I think that with all the other information they give you can decide the age your child should read it yourself.

I would be okay if they just gave the explanations without the 1 to 5 even. The only use I can see of the 1 to 5 is that it tells you it is a HEAVY MESSAGE book and that because of the 3 out of 5 for Violence that it is a moderately high adventure book.

Not a single word was said about the witches and wizards and magic business. That is what I checked immediately after checking HANNA this morning. If CSM had given HP a negative rating I would have been finished with it, Instead it reflected my feelings toward HP.

It rates Dumbledore as postive role model in DH and Harry as loyal for having been faithful to Dumbledore even when Dumbledore is found to be less than perfect.

It sounds as if they have done a turn about on HP.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 04:07 PM report to moderator
245 Points

I mean I wish they would NOT make an age rating.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 06, 2011, 04:13 PM report to moderator
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Thanks for all the info, LH, it definitely all sounds much more well-rounded than when I’d been on the site. Maybe all the criticism paid off by forcing them to reevaluate their methods. Previously it seemed to be run by a bunch of Laura Mallory-types. There would be the number ratings, along with quotes from the book – usually taken out of context, almost always making them seem worse or more “scandalous” than they actually were within the story. There was no discussion or explanation beyond the quotes. It definitely sounds like a better system now. :)

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 06, 2011, 08:29 PM report to moderator
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HI, again, everyone!

I’ve been following the discussion of CSM with interest. From what the two of you are saying, it sounds like they’ve pretty much fixed the issues you originally had with it, Jen, and are providing some valuable insight into books and movies for parents, as you went there to see, LH. I’m with both of you on the censorship issue, I don’t want to see anything like that. But like LH I do want to be able to make an informed decision about what my kids are viewing. There’s a big difference between “you can never read/watch this” (like Laura Mallory with her kids and HP) and “you can watch/read this when you’re a bit older.”

My kids are all pretty much at the age where I don’t have to worry as much. The girls, obviously, read and watch just about anything. They know to stay away from porn or things with gratuitous violence, not because I’ve told them to, but because we’ve talked about all that stuff and they’ve decided it isn’t something they want to feed to their brains. However, my son still needs some guidance and he also still relies on us to make sure he isn’t seeing things he can’t handle. Sometimes neither he nor we know exactly what that is until it’s too late.

For example, he loves action movies, especially action fantasy movies like Pirates of the Caribbean, etc. We took the whole family to see The Green Hornet when it came out, and aside from it being, IMO, a really stupid movie (they could have done such a good job with it, I was very disappointed by it), it completely freaked my son out. He was in tears. I didn’t realize it until the movie was over, when it was too late. I wish he would have said something during the film because I would have had absolutely no problem taking him outside. But I was surprised by his reaction because I didn’t think there was anything unusual about it compared to other action movies he has already seen. When we talked about it later, though, he had made a very clear distinction. A lot of the violence he has seen in other action-type movies has been clearly fantasy based, even if it could still be somewhat bloody and scary looking, like when the pirates fight and stab each other, etc. In The Green Hornet, the violence felt much more real to him, much more clearly real people using real weapons to hurt and kill other real people without that fantasy veneer he’s used to, despite the Green Hornet being in his little costume. So that made a real difference to him and it scared and upset him quite a bit. Now I know to look for that in the movies we take him to.

Anyway, it’s certainly an interesting topic!

Jen that’s too funny that you remembered Jo’s name and I remembered Michelle’s. Between the two of us, we got ’em both, at least! Though how I could have forgotten a British JO at a Harry Potter convention, I have no idea!

I meant to say on the name badges, LH, you’ve definitely got yourself covered, LOL. I just used our screen names, as I did last time, but that’s partly because I doubt there’d be room to fit my name AND my screen name, LOL. My DS is going by his nickname, DPLemon. I will never forget one of the most thrilling moments for me at LeakyCon 2009, though, when Sue Upton recognized my screen name, knew exactly who I was and said she’d been “reading me” for years. That was just such a “knock me over with a feather” moment when I had just been so excited to meet her.

Posted by Headmistress LemonFaerie on May 06, 2011, 09:50 PM report to moderator
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So, we’re back from Thor. Nice eye candy with the main character, and the special effects were good, but other than that… meh. It was about on par with Tron. I was hoping for another Pirates-type movie – plenty of action, special effects and eye candy AND a fun, cohesive story with great characters to love, awesome acting, etc. The main guy, I can’t remember his name, did a pretty good job, but Natalie Portman way overacted her role, I thought, and actually the best character was her friend or sister or whoever she was, which was a small role, but she had some good, funny lines and great delivery. I enjoyed the night out with the hubby, but I would have been much happier if our trailer had been in front of it. Sixty-six days out and STILL no official trailer in theaters! We saw trailers for movies that don’t come out until Christmas. I want my HP!

Ah, well, I am off to bed since I have to get up super early tomorrow. Bleh!


Posted by Headmistress LemonFaerie on May 07, 2011, 03:50 AM report to moderator
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Morning all!

Lemon, the site definitely sounds better, though I would still say it’s best used with caution. Like LH said, I still have a problem with them sticking a specific age on there, and I am also not a fan of the number ratings. All the descriptive stuff is fine, as long as they’re describing stuff in the appropriate context. But my issue with the ages and number ratings is that there are plenty of parents out there who won’t consider all the description the way you guys do and will just see the number and use that as the basis for their judgement.

And that’s where the good old “limiting access” issue that they drill into us in school comes into play, because once you’ve stuck an age or content rating on something, you may deter someone from picking it up if they feel that the label “prevents” them from doing so. We’ve even had discussions in school about the merits of shelving items in childrens versus young adult sections because that can deter individuals from looking for materials in one section or the other for fear of being too old or too young. The counter-argument to that is that by imposing some type of general categories, we are enabling access by making it easier for individuals to find what they are looking for…as long as there is no restriction (placed by the library; parents can enforce whatever restrictions they feel proper) on what section an individual can borrow books from. It’s sort of a circular argument; you can go in circles with it, but it does lead to interesting class discussions! :)

Sorry you weren’t too excited by Thor. For some reason, it didn’t appeal to me based on the trailers, so your review reinforces my initial feelings; I won’t bother with it. Water for Elephants and Something Borrowed are the two I’m most looking forward to seeing right now. Of course, both are based on books that I’ve been intending to read for ages, so I’m slightly torn about seeing them before I do read, but I think that’s how it’ll have to be. Hopefully it’ll just mean that I’ll enjoy the movies instead of being picky and then be even more impressed by the books when I see how much more detail there is in them. ;) The other one I’ve been waiting for is Jane Eyre … I really hope it will end up having a wide theatrical release.

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 07, 2011, 08:31 AM report to moderator
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SPOILER FOR SOMETHING BORROWED (involving criticism I’ve heard on TV reviews and on CSM which I think is unfair to the movie if you’ve read the book)

The movie involves a girl “stealing” her best friend’s fiance. As I recall from the book the groom to be and the girl were very close friends and she was in love with him from afar when her friend sort of horned in and took him and dated him and got engaged to him without being sincerely over the top in love with him. So, yes, the main character does steal her friend’s fiance but it is more like she reclaims what was hers in the first place. He had been in love with her too from afar and the overwhelming, overpowering friend just came in and swept him and everything away in her path and when the girl didn’t resist her friend’s move he didn’t think she cared. It is more of a star crossed lovers finally get together story than a friend does a friend in story.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 07, 2011, 09:12 AM report to moderator
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That was sort of the impression I’d gotten from the previews for the movie. It’s the type of thing that I might have trouble accepting if it were happening in real life to people I know, but that I can enjoy in a book or movie because it’s romantic, LOL.

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 07, 2011, 09:22 AM report to moderator
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LH, I’ve been meaning to ask you – which days were you planning to be at the hotel with me? You weren’t arriving until the Tues, right? I’m booked from Mon to Mon, but I’ve been watching the flight prices, and right now they seem to be as low as they’re going to get. But if I were to do Tues to Tues, it would be $10 cheaper each way. Not a huge amount, but hey, $20 is $20 – it could cover me for a meal or allow me an extra souvenir. ;) I’d have to double-check with the hotel to see if it’s possible to shift that reservation without losing the conference discount, but I wanted to make sure wouldn’t throw anything off for you before I call them. If I do it, it would be an early morning flight, so I’d still be at the hotel in plenty of time to meet you whenever you arrive.

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 07, 2011, 10:17 AM report to moderator
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JEN, I am checking into the hotel with you on Tuesday and leaving on Monday. Since we’ll have to leave our other hotel, I’m sure, by 11 AM or so I should be there by late morning to midday to leave our bags with the concierge if we can’t check in until 3 PM or 4 PM. So, I don’t see that your Tuesday arrival will have any effect on me.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 07, 2011, 12:28 PM report to moderator
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I remember in the book you tend to feel the friend who becomes engaged to her friend’s male friend was more of the villain. She is sort of spoiled and tends to get what she wants even if she doesn’t really want it type. She is insensitive and flighty and she doesn’t read the cues that the guy already belongs to her girlfriend. She just sort of comes in and on a whim says to her friend, “Do you have anything going with him? I think he’s cute.” The poor girl who is in love with him tells her, “No, there is nothing going with him.” There isn’t anything going. She wishes there was something going but she fails to tell her overpowering friend that and the friend is too obtuse to see it herself. So, the overwhelming person grabs him and as the wedding approaches both the groom to be and the girl who actually loves him become desperate and realize it is all going wrong.

So, although regrettable, I don’t think the book makes her as treasonous as the movie is portraying her. In the book the bride to be is portrayed as the more shallow character.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 07, 2011, 12:39 PM report to moderator
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Just a quick pop-in to say that I have finally been able to put up a photo of my Beltane festival bracelet at CC..

Dr. Who, must dash!

Posted by Graymayne on May 07, 2011, 01:29 PM report to moderator
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I’ve seen the photos of the new Duchess of Cambridge out doing her grocery shopping. I’m struck by how different your shopping carts are than those we have here. Our carts have a double wall on a swivel nearest the driver. If you push it out away from you it has a drop down that creates a seat for a small child to ride in with leg holes so the child can ride in the car facing the parent. Also, there is an undercarriage on our carts so you can load large bulk items like large packages of toilet tissue, cases of drinks, or large sacks of dog food underneathe as well as another small basket directly under the child carrier section near the shins of the driver.

When I take my mother shopping I place any items I happen to pick up on my way along in the child carrier area and in the small basket under it. There is a flap made out of smooth plastic for the child to sit on that you can flap up to plug the leg hole and use the small basket for fragile purchases such as vegetables and eggs if you are not carrying a child with you.

Our carts are also much deeper.

This is closer to what I’m accustomed although it still does not have the extra small basket near the driver under the child seat.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 07, 2011, 06:40 PM report to moderator
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Thanks, LH, I will let you know as soon as I make a decision on the flight. It sounds like the main difference would be that if I arrive on Monday, we’d already have our room to put your stuff in no matter what time you arrive on Tuesday. Aside from the price difference on the flight, I really can’t decide whether it’ll be better to have the extra day before or after the conference.

I’m intrigued by your shopping cart comments. Do you have the link to the British one you saw? The link that you did post show the carts that we have here. If you find one with the basket under the child seat, I’d be curious to see what it looks like; I can’t picture what you’re describing, so I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen one like it here. And I’m wondering how different the British ones are to either version.

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 07, 2011, 11:03 PM report to moderator
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JEN, here is the link with many photos of the Duchess and her shopping cart.

Much to my surprise I did not find a link for a cart like we have here and have had here as long as I can remember. When I make my next grocery run I’ll take a photo for you. I’m sure everyone will think I’m mad.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 07, 2011, 11:39 PM report to moderator
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JEN, in this video, especially right at the beginning you can just see a small basket under the cart that is in addition to the flat undercarriage, directly below the child seat section, near the person pushing. It allows you to place additional items in the cart that might otherwise just slide off the undercarriage. You can put up to six 2 liter bottled drinks in that area or maybe eight or ten boxes of cereal. There are sides so things don’t just slide off.

Pause the video almost as soon as it starts to get a look.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 08, 2011, 12:24 AM report to moderator
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Thanks! It’s so small! I only shop for myself, and I’d probably need two of those. When I used to go grocery shopping with my mom as a kid, she’d often fill two of our large carts (like the one you’d originally linked to) and they’d be piled high…we’d need about five or six of those small ones. Graymayne and Asti is this the common size there? LOL, it’s so funny how something that I’d normally never give a second thought to – like a shopping cart – can become fascinating when I realize that what I’m used to is not how it is everywhere else. It’s easy to know about big differences (like variations in terminology, accents and pronunciation, or driving on the opposite side of the road) without actually knowing someone from other there, but it’s these little things that I’d never have thought to ask about that can be the most interesting!

Posted by Bookworm Jen on May 08, 2011, 12:28 AM report to moderator
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Morning all from a very damp Shropshire.

Lady Hawke and BWJen The trolley used by our new duchess is the size I choose, which is perfectly adequate for a weekly shop for two of us and light enough for me to push when loaded. I have never shopped at a branch of Waitrose but every other supermarket I have used has a range of styles to cover all types of customers including wheelchair users. Anglesey is a small island with a trading history dating back to at least Roman times, copper was mined there. I have been many times because my MIL lived there. I never cease to be amazed at the foolishness of journalists, fancy pinpointing where the duchess shops and the value of her ring. No wonder that she needs personal guards.

Posted by Graymayne on May 08, 2011, 02:28 AM report to moderator
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Hi, again! Jen I just came back over here from the other poll and saw that you haven’t read Something Borrowed yet, either. According to LP it sounds like the movie is pretty close to the book, but that’s all I’ll say about it for now. :) I don’t really want to see Water for Elephants, especially if there’s elements of animal cruelty in there. I don’t handle that well at all, even in movies or books. But I also don’t care for circuses at all (and I’m terrified of clowns, LOL.) Not that I’m sure it focuses on them much! It just doesn’t look like my thing. I’m REALLY looking forward to Jaye Eyre, though, it looks like they did a fabulous job with it.

Oh, and you have read the book already, LH! In that case, I will give a small SPOILERISH review of the movie so anyone who doesn’t want to be spoiled for Something Borrowed, skip this paragraph! :) From what you’ve said, it sounds like the movie is pretty darn close to the book. They definitely portray the fiancee as more villainous and the girl who ends up with the guy as the wronged, star-crossed lovers. I haven’t read the book, so I don’t know if that would alter my perception of the film. I will say it was VERY well done. The script was well written, it was well acted, well directed, everything was very well done, but I don’t ever want to see it again, LOL. Even though the fiancee is portrayed as the spoiled girl who gets whatever she wants and steamrolls over everyone else, by the end of the film I didn’t like ANY of them except for the main character’s male best friend. He was a genuinely good guy. The rest of them, IMO, were scum. I didn’t find any of them redeemable and I didn’t like that the two main characters wound up together the way they did. Yes, the fiancee was a b*witch about stuff, and she definitely did a lot of very bad things herself, but that doesn’t excuse the two of them messing around behind her back. I would have preferred them to maybe be discussing it, thinking about it, but NOT doing “it” until after the engagement was broken off. That made them every bit as culpable and every bit as scummy as the fiancee, and the guy (who is extremely cute and definitely has a movie future!) was so weak about it all until the very end that I lost all respect for him. So, we both walked out feeling like we needed a shower to wash away the bad feelings and dirtiness of it all, LOL. After the disappointment in Thor last night, and now this one, I am really, really craving a good movie I can walk out of happy. This was a “good” movie in that it was all well done, but I was NOT happy. And I definitely don’t want to see it again, which is my barometer. sigh Anyway, just my (admittedly very strong!) opinion. :) I think it will do well in the box office, though, because it is so well done as far as the cinema of it goes.

That’s interesting about the shopping carts, that’s something that would never have occurred to me. I know for me, I tend to only grocery shop every two weeks, so I need a huge cart, sometimes, two, in order to get everything in, and that’s at each of the three stores I have to run to to get it all. Of course there’s five of us, but even when I was single, I always easily filled at least one cart every couple of weeks. The smallish ones like the Duchess was using would possibly work for quick runs like when we just need cheese or milk, but would be too small for much else.

I wonder, Graymayne and Asti, is it common to have food pantries in the UK? It’s not a totally standard thing here, but many newer homes and also much older homes do seem to have them. Ours is the size of about two hall closets put together with room for two to three people to crowd inside if we had to. Because of that, we do tend to stockpile paper, boxed or canned goods, so that may be another reason for needing much larger carts here. I could not shop for probably a solid month, other than for perishable items, and be able to feed us adequately (if not well or happily – the kids would mutiny, I’m sure!) on the boxed and canned goods we currently have on the shelves.

Posted by Headmistress LemonFaerie on May 08, 2011, 04:55 AM report to moderator
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GRAYMAYNE, I did note THE RING on her hand and wondered at her wearing it shopping for groceries until I realized that with her entourage of security people it was probably safer on her hand than left at home in her jewelry box. If she had been photographed without it plans would already be underway for an assault on the farmhouse the next time she goes shopping. After the behavior of British media concerning The Princess of Wales I have been expecting the grocery shopping photos any time this week. I’m only surprised they didn’t wait for her to come out so they could photograph her unloading her cart into the car, complete with her license plate.

Our stores do have motorized carts for the handicapped. Most have the big standard cart with large plastic cars complete with steering wheels so toddlers can pretend to drive as mom shops. With the addition of the car in front the cars become completely unwieldy and it becomes a toss up what is more difficult to endure, a bored toddler or the cart. Only one store I know has an option of a smaller cart which is much more upright and more like two hand baskets size basket mounted one on top of the other. I noted some of the carts in the cart park yesterday had infant carriers mounted on them. We have those as well. Mostly people use the enormous carts with the only option most places being the hand basket and since the hand baskets become very heavy very quickly most people elect to use the large carts for more than two or three items.

Posted by Lady Hawke on May 08, 2011, 07:47 AM report to moderator
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