PotterCast 229: Deathly Hallows Part 1 Review
November 22, 2010, 08:51 PM
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I also love the part where they show Bellatrix’s hair flying on to Hermione, because that would be essential to Part 2….but something that made me sad they didn’t include was the fight between Harry and Lupin, and the letter from Lily to Sirius Harry finds in Sirius’s room! I mean, I know they do have to keep the films under 3 hours, but I really enjoyed those parts in the book and including one of those might have added another wonderful emotional element to the movie..not that it didnt have enough :), I cried quite a few times. I thought the movie was AMAZING and deffinetly the best yet. I also agree that they make Ginny too shy when in the books she comes across as a very social, vivacious, likable girl. Not that she is a bad actress at all.
I didn’t have a problem with the Harry/Ginny relationship in this film, because in the film the relationship is much less developed. All we have had in the film is the kiss in the room of requirements and Hermione showing she knows they are a couple. We haven’t had the three happy weeks in the grounds of Hogwarts nor the “we can’t be together” break-up. In the films I think they have had much less time together, and are still working out the relationship.
With regard to bags, the most important thing they have lost would be the burnt out locket. When Voldemort finds that (and he will undoubtedly examine and search everything the trio left behind) he will know that the trio are hunting and have destroyed a horcrux, and hence take action to protect his remaining horcruxes. They will have also lost Harry’s invisibility cloak (if Harry hasn’t done so already – I think we last saw it in the PoA film).
LOL at characterizing this as a “warm reboot” re: the mirror, Bill and Fleur, etc. Was surprised that Madame Maxime was shown at the wedding but Krum wasn’t (unless I missed him). I also thought that while Luna provided some of the more poignant scenes/lines in the book, I was almost annoyed with DH1-Luna. Her lines often provided closure and comfort in the book, but just seemed weird and intrusive in the movie.
Averyfan: A warm reboot from what though? The point about the mirror is that it has never appeared in previous films and you only understand it if you have read book 5.
In re: Bonnie’s performance and passion. I think back to Sorcerer’s Stone" Daniel (and he’s said as much repeatedly in interviews) had the acting range of a teaspoon. And he’s come far, far, far since then. I think Bonnie’s been generally really pretty good.
As for passion and lines, I do think thats attributable to the director and screenwriter. The movies have consistently gotten better. This is particularly true compared to Columbus’ ham-handed unsubtlety in the first movie (e.g., “i thought i’d be seeing you PROFESSOR MCGONNAGALL”, “welcome, Harry, to DIAGON ALLEY”). Yeah, we get it Chris, its a Harry Potter movie.
If there’s fault to be apportioned, the director and screenwriter deserve more of it.
I’ve had no problems with the development of the Harry/Ginny relationship in the movies, because to me it was a lot more realistic than in the books. We saw Ginny emerge from her shell and develop evenly, whereas in the books we get to OOTP and it’s like she pulled off her glasses to become SuperGinny. Then in HBP she basically jumps Harry in a “he’s mine, b****es!” moment, which was much more suited to Lavender’s personality (and thus I was glad they transferred that moment to Ron and Lavender). The movies also also don’t diminish Hermione’s role like I felt HBP the book did. So really, for those who hate Ginny’s usage in the films, be glad she’s been included this much…if you want to focus on the main plot of “beat Voldemort” she only has two places of use, in COS and OOTP. She got a lot of pages in HBP because JKR realized she better get her with Harry, as Ginny would be out of the picture for most of DH.
So they decided to continue the slow build of both relationships into DH…the line in HBP about Harry not being happy unless he was chasing after Voldemort was a stupid line during the “breakup” scene. In nice touches, the DH movie touched on two other important facets in relationships. First, you leave two 17 year olds, a guy and a girl, alone in a tent together in a stressful situation…for nothing at all to have happened seems crazy. Hence the Harry/Hermione dance scene…one to prove Harry’s not insensitive, and two to show near the end that yeah, they could’ve kissed, but the moment passed. Second, when Ron comes back, for a good few scenes after that Hermione is visibly pissed off at Ron…in the book that seems to be an “oh well, you came back, congrats!” thing. (The movie gets extra points for dropping the “sister” line and for not having Harry be a moron and say “Voldemort” to summon the Death Eaters.)
Now if part 2 corrects the whole “Ron can duplicate parseltongue” thing…either have Harry do it for them, or even have Ginny do it and call it a remnant from the diary…I’ll be happy. Plus, hey, I got my moment watching “Hermione” try to inhale “Harry’s” face…evil!Hermione rocks!
I quite like how Harry and Ginny’s relationship is in the movies. While I loved it in the book I feel like the movies are giving it more developing time and keeping the awkwardness every has in the beginning. I personally loved the zipper scene because of the mix of awkwardness and excitement with the touch of closeness there was. Then of course the embarrassment after.
I’m way behind on this listen, but had to comment anyway. John was spot on about Harry not reassuring Ron after the locket. Also, Frak, I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought too many scenes lingered too long.
I cried at the very beginning when Harry opens the cupboard under the stairs and find the toy soldiers he played with in the first movie.
One more thing, The Tale of the Three Brothers-awesome!
Loved the movie – much more the second and third times than the first!!
Only noticed Bellatrix’s hair falling the third time, but noticed the Erumpent Horn in Lovegood’s house the second time. Loved how that made the house expode! Missed Luna’s bedroom (they showed the stairs but Harry never went up), Peter’s hand choking him (so is he coming back), Kreacher getting cleaner and kinder and making onion soup, but more than anything else: WHERE IS THE INVISIBILITY CLOAK?!?!?!? I mean it is a Deathly Hallow and they used it ALL THE TIME in the book – disapparating under it, Harry under it in the cafe shop etc. The cloak should have been played up considering the name of the movie! Also there should have been way more polyjuice potion – though I understand that they wanted the trio playing themselves… but Harry was supposed to be hidden at the wedding, and the Ministry scene was ridiculous!! (and no, Harry/Runcorn did not take Moody’s eye out of the door – I looked! it was still there!) Harry looking like himself could not walk through the main lobby of the Ministry and not be noticed! But I guess it made sense since they did not rescue a bunch of other people, only the Cattermoles. And Godric’s Hollow! It made me laugh when Harry said that he would not return there in disguise, when that is exactly what he does in the book (wish we could have seen the “war memorial” and the sign at his house). Plus, when Harry’s hair is put into the polyjuice potion, it turns golden (essence of Harry) and Hermione says he looks much tastier than Crabbe and Goyle! Goblin pee, really What is Moody trying to say?? :)
Thought Hedwig’s death was WAY better in the movie. Hated how she died in the book – this was much more heroic.
How you gain a wand’s allegiance should be in the second movie – when Harry talks to Ollivander (which he better to know that Voldemort is not after the Hollows but simply the Elder wand).
Wish the H/G kiss had more passion – Ginny has experience at snogging after all… but it does fit the fact that the relationship was not developed in the last movie…
Enjoyed Luna and Neville
Am guessing that Aberforth somehow recognized the forest and told Snape (missed Phineus though – would have been a cool effect to see the portrait coming out of the bag)
Also miss the Mokeskin purse that Harry keeps the valuables in. Should have showed him watching Ginny on the Map (like when he saw Snape in Dumbledore’s office…). And he better still have his broken wand – the fact that he mends it with the Elder wand and puts the Elder wand back with Dumbledore at the end was so awesome!! Such a testimony to his character!!
I better stop now… could go on for pages… thanks for the space!
omg this was a most brilliant movie!!!!! it was so intense and they had SO much in there!!!! One thing that bugged me was that they didn’t have Peter show Harry mercy then get choked by his own silver hand. Did he even have the silver hand in the movie? I suddenly can’t remember… anyway I’m assuming he’s still alive and was just knocked out because Dobby did not mean to kill, only maim or severely injure… which bugs me because one thing me and my friend noticed was that the death of all the marauders occurs in the opposite order to how they are introduced in the marauder’s map and I thought that was really cool. But I can forgive it because after years of cutting out Dobby/replacing him with Neville (who is brilliant but not Dobby thank you very much) they FINALLY gave him more screen time!! I absolutely ADORE Dobby! I’m so glad they brought him back and gave him the best lines and managed to make us feel so emotional about his death and have the characters react the way they did despite him not being in the films for so long.
And I agree. The silver doe/locket scene was BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think, all things considerd, the movie was great. It was much better than HBP at getting the right tone from the book. It’s too bad they didn’t wait until the books were finished to start on the movies so they would have known what was important to include and what could be left out. Now movie-only people are really having to struggle to catch all the references in the movie to understand fully what’s going on.
I did enjoy the scenes at the beginning with Hermione obliviating her parents, it really made her commitment to this trek so much more powerful than her just talking about it later with Harry & Ron. Still, it would have been funny to see the Weasley ghoul with spattergoit!
The Harry and Ginny relationship in the films are different from the one in the movies, first of all Harry and Ginny became a couple in the 6th book, but in the film there was just a kiss – implying that this is deeper and more real than the shallow and dramatic triangle between Ron-Lavender-Hermione. If Ginny was gonna throw herself at Harry like she did in the book, it might come off as too similar to the Ron-Lavender thing. So bottom line is: in the book, they became a couple and then broke up at the end. Then they got back together again in the ending of DH. While in the films, they portray their relationship as slowly growing into something solid, which is somehow even better I think. I’m sure you all noticed that Ginny was after Harry in every scene of OOTP, she always had a jealous look on her face when Harry was looking at Cho or talking about her…